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Archive for February, 2007

When Did Stud Hi-Lo Add a Qualifier?

Posted by pmpoker on February 28, 2007

In the 2+2 archives, Jason asks a question that I’ve always wondered about: when did stud hi-lo add the 8 qualifier, and why was an 8 chosen.

Ray Zee responds:

once the people that played for high dried up the game was over. it also only takes a few times for someone to show kkk wired and fold for the bring in to convince everyone but those that want to just play tight that its no longer a game. any game that allows players to sit and only play giant hands is doomed. when the qualifier was put in (late 70’s) a whole new world of action developed. i dont know the exact reason why it was 8 and not 7or9 but ive played all three and 8 gave the best mix. seven was too hard to make a low and 9 was too easy and made it harder to read hands.

What I really want to know is what inspired someone to put in a qualifier. Can anyone claim to have invented stud hi-lo with a qualifier? Was it analogous to another game? What came first, Omaha/8 or stud/8?


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Ashley Adams on 7-Card Stud Home Game Variations

Posted by pmpoker on February 28, 2007

At Poker Player, Ashley Adams embarks on a series about 7-Card Stud home game varations and promises that the next installment will look at hi-lo declare, a game which David Sklansky suggested could be the most skillful game of poker.

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WPBT Event #2 Pot-Limit Omaha Round-Up

Posted by pmpoker on February 28, 2007

Biggestron has the WPBT 2007 standings updated through event #2.

In general, most bloggers seem to be saying that they hate pot-limit omaha or are not good at it or some other variatation on PLO not being their game. I play PLO cash games more often than I do NLHE. I think that this tournament was hurt by not being double-stacked, the way that most PLO tournaments are on Full Tilt. You basically have to choose your spot and try to get it all-in preflop or on the flop when you decide to go. My strategy going in was to play somewhat weak-tight at the outset, getting involved in few pots, trying to get in for a limp, and playing a bit passive until I could get a read on my opponents. With a larger starting stack size, I would gamble a bit more and see more flops. Of course, I also got zero cards at the outset.

I ended up finishing sixth in what I think was my first WPBT tournament. I got knocked out on the turn with an overpair and a gutshot vs top two pair. I had KK9x in the big blind in a raised pot. The flop came a raggy Jxx. I check-called, planning to get it all in on the turn unless it was a jack or an ace. The turn came a queen, my opponent had AQJT or something similar, and I didn’t improve. I can’t remember if I check-raised or bet out on the turn. My hand was too good to fold against a possible steal, but I didn’t really like pushing pre-flop. In my mind, I am debating whether or not I made the correct decision to delay my raise until the turn. I think that my opponent doesn’t fold to a check-raise with top pair and two overcards on the flop, so I think that I save some money by waiting for a safe card.

Here are some posts on the tournament by other bloggers. A few bloggers out there don’t have RSS feeds enabled, so I’m sorry, but I’m just not reading you.

-Mattazuma admits to getting lucky and being hit with the deck in his win.
-Runner-up Schaubs also admitted to being inexperienced.
-Third-place Columbo followed a sound basic strategy on the way to cashing.
-Don Morris finished 9th despite noting that he would ” rather listen to K-Fed on infinite repeat than play PLO.”
-Fishy McDonk lived up to his name, writing “I ended up being way too fishy and crippling myself early.”
-PokahDave thinks that he committed the cardinal sin in PLO. (I disagree somewhat. It is less of a sin in tournaments, depending on stack size.)

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Playing Aggressive in PLO8

Posted by pmpoker on February 25, 2007

From the 2+2 archives, Ray Zee advocate pushing the nut low plus a weak high unless your opponent seems to be a nut peddler who only gives action with two-way hands. He seems willing to risk getting quartered with one-way hands in the name of “giving action to get action”.

Of course, I hate PLO8, so I am unlikely to have much opportunity to take his advice to heart.

Posted in Pot-Limit Omaha/8 | 1 Comment »

Is Sklansky on Razz Outdated?

Posted by pmpoker on February 24, 2007

In this 2+2 thread, one player seems to think so.

Check out poster TT, not just in this thread, if you want to play razz.

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The Well – What is 7×6

Posted by pmpoker on February 14, 2007

Over at 2+2, several players are participating in “The Well”, a thread where the player answers questions from other posters. Over in the O8 forum, What is 7×6 is currently in The Well fielding questions. If you are interested in short-handed O8, you should read what he has to say.

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I’m Really Not Sure How to Interpret This

Posted by pmpoker on February 13, 2007

Mason Malmuth from the 2+2 Archives:

. . . stud 8 or better plays more like pot limit than any other form of limit poker. In addition, there is probably more luck associated with the last card than with any other game. My guess is that unless you are highly skilled, you can probably swing more than you think is possible.

I can’t figure out how stud/8 plays more like pot limit than any other form of limit poker, but then again I can’t figure out how it wouldn’t. This is a response to a question about expectation and bankroll requirements, but I don’t think he is talking about bankroll. I suppose it could be about the greater skill required to build a big pot. Of course, he could also be saying that tight and nitty play is the best strategy for a loose game.

Posted in Seven Card Stud/8 | 3 Comments »

Some PLO hands

Posted by pmpoker on February 7, 2007

Ribbo posts a few PLO hands

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An Omaha Tournament Hand

Posted by pmpoker on February 1, 2007

Jason Kirk asks about a tournament spot in a PLO tournament. He limped with Kd-Jd-Tc-3s in middle position and bet the flop of Qd-9d-2h and the turn Ks (all-in) before losing to a flush on the river.

Preflop is probably a mistake, but it is not a huge mistake and the table composition of players who are loose and passive preflop makes it not as bad as it could be, although it is still a hand out of position. The flop and turn is correct. That’s the sort of flop you are hoping for with your hand. You should probably prefer it to top two pair in a multiway pot.

By the way, I think that the villain in this hand, who flopped top pair plus the nut flush draw, probably made a mistake by not pushing all-in on the flop.

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