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I’m Really Not Sure How to Interpret This

Posted by pmpoker on February 13, 2007

Mason Malmuth from the 2+2 Archives:

. . . stud 8 or better plays more like pot limit than any other form of limit poker. In addition, there is probably more luck associated with the last card than with any other game. My guess is that unless you are highly skilled, you can probably swing more than you think is possible.

I can’t figure out how stud/8 plays more like pot limit than any other form of limit poker, but then again I can’t figure out how it wouldn’t. This is a response to a question about expectation and bankroll requirements, but I don’t think he is talking about bankroll. I suppose it could be about the greater skill required to build a big pot. Of course, he could also be saying that tight and nitty play is the best strategy for a loose game.

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3 Responses to “I’m Really Not Sure How to Interpret This”

  1. phat mack said

    I don’t know what he’s talking about. It might be bankroll requirements–i don’t think it’s playing strategy. I’ve never seen any indication that MM played pot limit, and in Vegas, I don’t know where he would. I’ve always thought that pot limit required the least bank roll per unit of win rate, but it appears MM might disagree with me.

    This from Ray Zee in the next post is a gem for any high-stakes live game player:

    >>>. . . remember if you discuss flucuations with opponents they will believe you have a high regard for money and may play tougher against you. good luck.

  2. Hmm… my earlier comment got eaten?

    Zee makes a similar comment in his Stud/8 book. I believe the point is that there is more money going in on the later streets than in other forms of limit poker. In Stud Hi or Hold’em you may have odds to chase draws or call down, while in Stud/8 it is often the case that two players will be jamming the big streets, making it too expensive to draw or see showdown.

    For example, in a $38 pot on 4th street it may only cost $20-30 or so to see a showdown in a 3-handed pot (with the potential to earn $98) in Stud Hi; but it may cost $40 just to see the next street in Stud/8 and $90 to see the showdown (and if you are only drawing for half your odds are even worse.)

    In AC there is a 15/30/45 game which exacerbates the tendency for more money to go in later.

  3. phat mack said

    >>> I believe the point is that there is more money going in on the later streets than in other forms of limit poker.

    This is a plausible explanation.

    >>>For example, in a $38 pot on 4th street it may only cost $20-30 or so to see a showdown in a 3-handed pot (with the potential to earn $98) in Stud Hi; but it may cost $40 just to see the next street in Stud/8 and $90 to see the showdown (and if you are only drawing for half your odds are even worse.)

    With good-sized stacks, PLHE can be a game where the made hands take off the draws, and PLO can be a game where the draws take off the made hands. I assume this is because the size of the draws can be so much bigger in omaha. Stud8 is interesting in that you can have huge draws on fourth street, draws exceeding an omaha player’s wildest dreams, where being whipsawed is an ideal situation. Alas, these draws a few and far between.

    I know the discussion concerns limit stud8, but since this is an “anything but hold em” forum, I feel safe in mentioning that PLstud8 (often played with 2 qualifiers) can have river action that vastly exceeds that of PLO and PLHE.

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