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Um Wow

Posted by pmpoker on January 16, 2008

There’s a a razz poker blog out there.

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Simming Razz

Posted by pmpoker on August 16, 2007

On 2+2, some discussion on how to describe opponent hand ranges while trying to do simulations for razz

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Biggest Razz Pot Won

Posted by pmpoker on April 23, 2007

Not mine, Fishy McDonk’s. My analysis in the comments to Fishy’s post.

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Fishy McDonk’s Razz Tournament Strategy

Posted by pmpoker on March 16, 2007

Fishy McDonk has a Razz MTT Strategy Post,

While I can’t say that I agree with everything written (for example, I disagree with “usually” calling a bet on fourth when you brick), I think that most players I see would benefit from reading this.

Part of the play here has to do with understanding how to play in multi-way pots against loose players. This is one situation where weak-tight is fairly close to correct strategy. If people are limping in with face cards showing, you should still raise to punish those players, but if you are in a spot where the playability of your hand changes greatly depending upon what you catch on fourth street, you should consider waiting until fourth or later to put get raises in.

In razz tournaments, I will ram and jam if there is a maniac who is just giving away money, and you should, too, because you’re not going to get a better spot for racking up chips. But if your opponents are more sedate, you should consider waiting a bit before you push your good hands hard, so you can see what type of player you are up against. Sometimes, you catch hands where you have no choice but to bet. Other times,

One important consideration in tournament strategy is that you should avoid some of the marginal +EV spots that you would play in a cash game. I’m not a big fan of defending your bring-in in razz, although there are some opponents against whom you can consider it, but to whatever extent that you do make that play, you should do it less in a tournament than in a cash game. Sure, your opponents may be stealing more, but it’s going to hurt you a lot more in a tournament those times that you keep catching just enough to stay in vs. a player who actually has a hand.

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Is Sklansky on Razz Outdated?

Posted by pmpoker on February 24, 2007

In this 2+2 thread, one player seems to think so.

Check out poster TT, not just in this thread, if you want to play razz.

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Chris Fargis Gives Up On Razz

Posted by pmpoker on December 29, 2006

Twenty-One Outs Twice: Happy Holidays

I think I’ve given up on razz, at least for a while. I ran well when I started playing but I don’t think I’m really any good. I make undisciplned calls on early streets when the pot is small and I know I have the worst hand. I open too loose and don’t fold when I get reraised. All of this means that I end up in a lot of hands where I’m drawing dead or slim and a lot of hands where I have the best hand but am only a 60/40 or so favorite. This is not good.

I also don’t fully understand some principles about the game. I played this one hand where we were four handed on fourth street. I had four to a 98, David Grey had four to a 7, and two guys who started with three low cards had caught paint. I jammed the pot because I thought the presence of the two guys who caught bad made me less than a 3-1 dog. After David made a 7 on fifth street and I paid him with a 9, he made a comment in the chat about how bad the play in the game was. I made some retort and he said, “I probably should’t tell you this, but you had the worst hand of the four of us.” I ran the numbers and he was right. Boy did I feel like an idiot. So no more razz for now.

The bad play that Fargis admits to following is a fairly common style that I see. It’s frustrating when the fish runs well, but if you stay focused and don’t make the same mistakes, you will come out ahead. One thing to do against these players is to consider keeping the pot small in the beginning to magnify the mistakes they make.

Mis-estimating hand values in multiway pots is a common mistake I see in stud variants (stud high, stud/8, razz, etc). It’s not just playing on when they should fold. Some players bet when they should check, raise when they should call, and call when they should raise.

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I See Dead Cards

Posted by pmpoker on December 11, 2006

Math and Poker uses an example from razz to make this observation:

“In stud type games it’s really important to take dead cards into account. That can make computations or simulations a little messy, but the point isn’t to make computations easy, it’s to get meaningful answers. “

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Oh dear God

Posted by pmpoker on December 6, 2006

Two words: Turbo razz

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Mark Gritter poses a Razz 3rd street question

Posted by pmpoker on September 13, 2006

He asks:

5/10 razz with a 50 cent ante. You have A64 to the immediate right of the bringin (a 9). A 7 calls, a 3 raises, another 3 and 7 fold, a third 7 calls, a 9 folds, and you finally get to act.

To summarize: 2 players already in for a full bet, one limper yet to act behind you, and 337779 dead.

I don’t think this can possibly merit a reraise. But is it worth calling, or should this hand be folded?

I reply:

It might merit a reraise if the 3 is the sort who perceives a limp as weak and raises a lot with hands like (23)3 or (95)3. I would generally just call, though, since I get the benefit of deception and a chance to jam vs a player who bricks on fourth and is caught between.

It seems definitely worth a call, especially since a 7 acting behind you can’t reasonably reraise.

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Getting Reraised When Stealing in Razz

Posted by pmpoker on September 6, 2006

Mark Gritter does some math on the subject.

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